☧rotestant Catholic Priest, Church Reunionist, Free-Royalist, Peacemaker, Medievalist, Educator. Married w/ Offspring. UECNA.

Leesburg, Florida
"Fr. Dove, I'd attend a UEC parish if there were one near me, but there isn't. In fact, there isn't anything resembling Protestant Catholicity anywhere for a hundred miles! Woe is me!" Brothers, the solution is simple: if a parish thou lackest, then a parish thou must plant!
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Replying to @CyberPunkCortes
Orcas do kill and eat Blue Whale Calve (tongues and livers). So Blue Whales do see Orcas as natural enemies.
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Replying to @Rainmaker1973
The Ottoman Sultans maintained harems which were predominantly filled with Slavic, Balkan, Greek, Circassian, and Georgian women. The result is that the imperial family became genetically European/Central Asiatic.
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I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that "children's church" (in which the kids are separated from corporate worship) is one of those cancerous idols of the prior generations that needs to be put down for good.
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Where is this woman's husband?
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Corporate Culture. When you leave for work at 7am and don't get home till 8pm there isn't much incentive (or opportunity) to reproduce.
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Surprise! 🎉😇
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Protestant refers to the four traditions of the 16th Century Reformation: Hussite Lutheran Anglican Reformed The "muh gazillion denominations" are the deviations of anabaptists, non-conformists, enthusiasts, pietists, restorationists, revivalists, etc. These are not Protestant.
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Baptists aren't Protestant. Pentecostals aren't Protestant. Seventh Day Adventists aren't Protestant. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Protestant. Non-Denominationals aren't Protestant. Latter Day Saints aren't Protestant. Restorationists aren't Protestant. These are "Revivalists."
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Service reminder for the slopmonger Roman/Byzantine apologists—there are but three Protestant traditions: ✠ Anglican ✠ Lutheran ✠ Reformed We are the heritage of the 16th Century Protestant Reformation—not the Revivalist Sects of the 2nd Great Awakening.
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"We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins."
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Replying to @DreamLeaf5
If playing him straight they'll get Patrick Warburton (Kronk, Emperor's New Groove). If playing him a little silly they will make him German, and probably get Flula Borg (Hans the Horse, Ferdinand). If going REALLY flamboyant with him, Rupert Everett (Prince Charming, Shrek).
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Yet the Inca, Maya, and the Aztec all developed very sophisticated infrastructure despite not having such a system—especially the Inca. Each of these groups overcame the limitations of not having such river-valley systems with their technology.
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An interesting pattern I have noticed: Churches/Cultures in which women still cover their heads do not have women clergy. Maybe there is something to two millennia years of Church History on this one?
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Replying to @memeticsisyphus
Afghanistan is an arid continental climate, which includes multiple biomes; including desert and alpine—the latter of which is pictured here.
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...When your home is Sweden...I think you can get a pass to go somewhere else.
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Replying to @Midiaou7
Ecological equilibrium is a thing. Cats aren't apex predators—they are eaten by coyotes, foxes, owls, eagles, etc.
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Replying to @GPrime85
I am a priest and I 100% approve this message.
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Replying to @caesar_beaver
The key is not to care how she responds, like how you don't care about how anyone else responds to you (generally). Be audacious and don't take yourself seriously. Worst case she just thinks you're weird (and you are, so that shouldn't be a shocker) and writes you off, and then you move on. Best case, she thinks you're weird and likes it and gives you a shot. Church meals/events are a good opportunity to break ice in a less awkward way than before/after services (just sit next to her and start a conversation). But even still, if you haven't been formally introduced and you're in the same congregation then a perfect justification to just walk up and say hello is that you are both part of the same church family and don't know one another. If she is disinterested she will immediately look for an opportunity to say "hi bye," but if you remotely approximate her criteria she will entertain the conversation for a few minutes (or until interrupted) and probably give you ques to expand your opportunities for interaction. If you have a young adults Bible study or group, attend and invite her to attend if she hasn't gotten plugged in. If you don't have one, talk with your pastor about getting one started. I'd recommend to have a specific activity in mind to invite her to when the opportunity presents itself. Something you'd really like to do that you would want a prospective to enjoy doing with you. If she is part of a family unit at the church, I would recommend a different strategy: just go chat and buddy up with dad. If he likes you he will look for opportunities to give you a fair chance.
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I have been saying for a while that the data do not support the claims. The conversions to orthodoxy have been exaggerated due to terminally online behavior. Many of y'all on here claiming to be Orthodox aren't part of an Orthodox parish.
Are Protestants MASS CONVERTING to Eastern Orthodoxy? A thread taking a REVEALING look at the latest data 🧵(1)
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My fellow Anglicans, you can be Protestant and not Puritan. You can be High Church and not Romish. You can confess the Articles of Religion and enjoy a wide range of personal positions which comply with the doctrinal propositions of the same. It's okay to be Anglo-Classic.
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Replying to @PsalmWarfare
It is both scriptural and historically traditional. Women only ceased wearing head coverings within the past century, and we clearly observe the things correlated with that.
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Replying to @WhiteBabyFac
I think we need to normalize daughters AND sons remaining in the house of their fathers as acceptable in the Anglo-Sphere again. Historically, men would remain in their father's house until they betrothed, at which point the man and his father would build a house on the family property in which he would live with his new family. The problem, broadly, has been the atomization of families and the generational exhaustive self-indulgence that cultivates. No one cares about familial and cultural sustainability—only immediate gratification and goals. And that is why parents end up broke and abused in nursing homes and kids struggle to become economically stable and end up with no generational wealth.
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Replying to @Pettan_Enjoyer
The better way is to setup a payment plan at $5/month. They cannot charge you interest on the bill and they have to accept what you offer to pay. As long as you keep your end of the agreement they cannot send it to collections.
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It is an interesting phenomenon that western women continue to veil at their weddings, but not in worship.
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Yes, it funds a lot of abortion programs in Africa.
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Replying to @extrasalt513
That's the beauty of the Gospel—everyone is bad at being a Christian, but Christ is good enough for everyone.
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"I ached for a dog." Lord have mercy upon us.
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Replying to @AMAZlNGNATURE
With bears, "If brown, lay down" is VERY BAD advice. How you should behave with browns is entirely dependent upon the context in which you find one. "If brown, make sound — if found, stand ground." If you are in brown territory then making regular and loud noise will generally prevent an encounter to begin with. If you have made contact and the bear was aware of your presence prior to contact, then it is unlikely it will take an aggressive stance unless it is being territorial. If your contact startles the bear, then that is the most likely cause of aggression. Once the bear takes an aggressive stance, laying down will just accelerate your mauling. If you run you will be overtaken and mauled. Keeping calm, standing your ground in a firm yet non-confrontational manner (make yourself as big as possible and speak clearly in a low voice), and slowly backing away is the best course of action. If a bear suspects that an altercation with you is potentially dangerous it will second-guess attacking. If it attacks, use bear spray and/or your firearm to deter the attack. If it reaches you, fight back aiming for eyes and nose.
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Replying to @valerie_reads
Jesus has the best humor!—but it is subtle and culturally contextualized. Nearly every time someone gets angry at Him it is because He is making a jab at them. In many of his interactions with His disciples—especially Peter—He makes word plays.
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Replying to @Sayitpop
The lad handled himself remarkably well in that situation with the degree of intimidation they were pushing on him.
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Are Evangelicals converting to RCC and EOC traditions? Yes. Are Evangelicals converting to Classical Protestantism? Yes. Are Classical Protestants and RCC/EOC exchanging parishioners? Yes. The question is what is the net difference?—the data don't suggest a significant change.
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The Reformed Bloc needs to cease its affair with this abusive, narcissistic, irrational, gaslighting mistress that is the Baptist Bloc and ought to rather repair their relationship with their estranged ex-wife, the Lutheran Bloc.
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Replying to @maryarchived
1) Call billing and setup a payment plan of $10/month. 2) Inquire after their bill assistance charity program (every hospital has one). 3) Apply for said program. 4) Final bill will be something more manageable (or covered altogether).
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Our assurance is in our Baptism, not in our good works.
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Replying to @tennisbagz @PopBase
France didn't have a minimum age of consent until 2021, but sexual relations between young people and mature people were regulated on the basis of whether there was a power disparity between them—teacher and student qualify. They must not have enforced that law much back then.
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Replying to @sberryran
For those unfamiliar, Lore Olympus is a par for the course girlboss romance webcomic with an exaggerated emphasis on abuse, trauma, and mental health; it repurposes and heavily/subversively revises historic Greek mythology as the basis for its characters, plot, and worldbuilding.
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Replying to @AleppoAteMyFace
This is Partialism—that each person is a part of God, and not the fullness of God. If you took away one of the three little burgers it would not longer be complete, and that means the little burger is a part of the whole and not the fullness of the whole.
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Replying to @SecretFire79
This is one of those history things that I wish people studied better. Henry didn't start a new church. He broke jurisdiction with the Roman See, while the English Church remained effectively (pre-)Tridentine Latin Catholic until he died. Henry remained a status-quo Catholic his entire life. He always opposed the Protestant Reformation and its doctrinal commitments. Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon was incestuous and contrary to Canon Law. Henry was convinced they were cursed by God because of this, despite receiving a Papal dispensation to marry originally. Other English clerics concurred with his sentiments. Pope Clement VII didn't deny the divorce over moral issues, but because Catherine was the aunt of Emperor Charles V of HRE & Spain, who had just recently sacked Rome and had the Papacy on a short leash. He also never formally said denied the request, but stalled it for years until Henry finally sought resolution with his own clergy. The Church of England didn't become a Protestant Church until Henry died and Edward assumed the throne under regency. The only "Protestant" thing Henry did was make the Bible available in English to his people, and mandate the readings in Mass to be taken from the same. For those interested in understanding how the Church of England came to exist in distinction from the Roman Catholic Church, study the lives of the clerics under Henry VIII's reign who brought about the Reformation in England after his death, the Council of Trent, and then the Elizabethan period thereafter. The first true Protestant ruler of England was Elizabeth I, and she originally sought reconciliation with Rome (which was rejected).
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: The evangelical polygynists are coming. The only apologists who will be ready to handle them are (possibly) the anti-mormon specialists.
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Nicea II is an invalid Ecumenical Council because it was called and presided over by a woman.
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Replying to @averagelutheran
Yeah, I have sent emails before saying I'd be willing to come on as a religious consultant for Christianity but they have never taken me up on the offer.
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Many folks, especially of the evangelical industrial complex variety, seem to be missing the point. This isn't an issue pertaining to children learning, but children's participation in the worship of the Triune God. I suppose this betrays the misguided sensibilities of American Christianity pertaining to what the Church is and what it is principally called to do. The Christian formation of children pertaining to learning the Word of God and the fundamentals of the faith (i.e. catechesis) is the primary responsibility of the parents within the home setting. The primary role of the Sunday Service (Divine Liturgy) is to worship God. Is there learning/growing to be had in there? Yes. But is it the primary purpose? No. We learn in the liturgy of the Word in order that we may worship more abundantly. Children are obliged to worship God as much as adults, and the pinnacle of worship toward God is the Sunday Service. People need to recognize the patterns in apostasy associated to the timeline in which this methodology of removing children was at its zenith.
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Replying to @heyjoydoe
I think the disproportionate lack of engagement by men to this speaks volumes. Could he have entertained her better? Yes. Would he feel any differently if he did? No. She was into the movie, but maybe he wasn't. Maybe he hated it or found it profoundly boring. But God help him if he said that rather than attempting to disengage the topic. Men just aren't interested in maintaining charades. It is one thing to develop emotional intelligence and communication skills—which, to be fair, it sounds like he is working on those. It is another thing entirely to be expected to think, act, and talk like a woman—which is what seems to be expected of him. Also, it is profoundly unhealthy and unwise to parade your relationship friction and emotional dysregulation on social media in this way.
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To be fair, the quote presented in isolation is clearly deliberate bait. But that doesn't excuse personal ignorance in taking it. Read St. Athanasius "On the Incarnation," from whence this quote was derived (54th chapter, if I recall correctly). Christ is God. We are united with Christ—made one flesh with Him in Baptism, and receive His flesh in Holy Communion. He dwells in us and we in Him—truly united with Him. His glorified flesh is the same which will be given to us in our resurrection and eternal life. Christ's flesh was made divine in His resurrection, glorification, and ascension—if not, it could not exist "at the right hand of the Father." As the Athanasian Creed states: "Who although he be God and Man: yet he is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by taking of the Manhood into God; One altogether, not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man: so God and Man is one Christ." Ergo, God became man (took on flesh) to take the manhood into God and perfect/elevate it to a divine state of being (this was always His plan, which is why the deceit of the Serpent in the Garden was so insidious). If that flesh is indeed our flesh, then we partake in that ascendency (divinity) according to our participation and unity with His human nature. There is, however, a clear distinction made between what is divine in the sense of God proper (His attributes unique unto Himself), and divine in the sense of partaking/giving/creating. This idea of being granted a form of derivative godhood in salvation is the ultimate sense of what it means to be "made in the image of God," i.e., to be made "like God." Historically, the Church has understood the salvation language of Scripture to not be metaphorical, but real and true and tangible.
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Scots Confession (1560). For the Scots Reformed, women ministers were more horrible than false ministers. The struggle continues...🤣
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Jean Calvin was a Renaissance Christian Humanist par excellence. He made substantial contributions in numerous areas, but people fixate on predestination (and often confuse his actual thought on the topic). His churchmanship was high, though pragmatic and spartan—not a Puritan.
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The average age of clergy in the Anglican Continuum is probably somewhere around 60. Those "problems" are called "young men." If you don't have problems, then you don't have young men. If you don't have young men, then you don't have a future.
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Replying to @coldhealing
Car is parked. Kid isn't eating the fry—and that is an easy mistake to make as a new parent. Whether you are 20 or 30 the learning curve on parenting is the same. She is married and happy with a clearly well-groomed, content, and healthy baby. It's okay for her to enjoy her life.
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Yes. All baleen whales.
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Replying to @RRR0BYN
1) Because boys receive primary social conditioning from their fathers—fathers teach their sons to respect women. 2) If a boy's womanly archetype (his mother) is disgraceful, he will be inclined to project that example upon all women—often subconsciously in the beginning.
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Yes. And of note: the hierarchy of the Imperial Harem was not set, but dynamic. A concubine could be elevated to the "wife" rank, and it was not unprecedented for the son of a concubine to be the Sultan's favorite and heir. The head of the harem was typically the Sultan's mother.
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Protestant isn't an antithesis to Catholic. Protestant is a Catholic tradition—a species of Catholic. To be truly Protestant is to be necessarily Catholic, though not all Catholics be Protestant. If you are a Protestant Catholic, do not be ashamed to identify as such.
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Epistemological burnout is the leading cause of conversion for Evangelicals toward Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. When salvation has been contingent upon personal knowledge your whole life, not needing to think for yourself is a mighty attractive proposition.
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"By the Word becoming man, the universal Providence has been known, and its Giver and Artificer the very Word of God. For He was made man that we might be made God; and He manifested Himself by a body that we might receive the idea of the unseen Father; and He endured the insolence of men that we might inherit immortality." St. Athanasius, On the Incarnation (ch54). "Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation: that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is that we believe and confess: that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the Substance of his Mother, born in the world; Perfect God, and Perfect Man: of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting; Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead: and inferior to the Father, as touching his Manhood. Who although he be God and Man: yet he is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by taking of the Manhood into God; One altogether, not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man: so God and Man is one Christ." The Athanasian Creed
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Replying to @crusadepepe
So many problems with this meme. The Christian Nationalists and the Capitalists™️ are against each other right now.
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Replying to @NewEnglandLass
I think as a separate ministry during a different hour—like something running parallel to Sunday morning Bible Study—it is fine. But if the kids are being shuffled out of the divine service for the majority of it then it is going to stunt their formation.
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No need to be rude. It was a mistype on my part, but it applies to all baleens—blue and humpback whales being in that group.
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Replying to @Templarpilled
Protestant. St. John the Evangelist (Spokane, WA), Protestant Episcopal Church.
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How Baptists are reacting to Matthew Barrett's conversion to the Anglican tradition is deeply reflective of how Baptists are not Protestant.
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North End is an excellent Protestant High Church liturgical orientation, especially when you are forming neophytes in the Apostolic Piety. I conduct the consecration proper in Ad Orientum. (Don't judge our dinky setup, we're broke, send help 🫰please😅).
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Incorrect. Those raids occurred everywhere, but Italia was among the most developed and wealthy regions of Europe. The lack of unity (during the late medieval and early modern era) was due to a combination of Republican values, eroding imperial politics, and neighboring interests and military campaigns into the region.
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"Don't call it wine! It is the sacred blood!" "Don't give the laity the sacred blood! They get the sacred body, which is also the sacred blood!" Scholastic schizophrenia at its finest—kind of funny when you don't take it seriously. My laity get communion in both kinds.
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Let's have a brief conversation. Why are the baptist-folk (non-denom inclusive) melting down over this brother's reasonable ascendance into the Anglican Way? Here's why: Baptists are extremely dependent upon "great personalities" for their sense of communal cohesion, doctrinal stability, and moral authority. This is because they have a very weak ecclesiology, practically no *established* hierarchies, no proper ministerial class, and an extremely fragmented tradition incapable of providing a sense of unified identity across time, place, and culture. So they need to make up for these deficits with strong men—faux bishops—of either a charismatic pastoral class, a credentialed intelligencia class, or a boistrous apologetic class; or some combination thereof. While Baptists tend to be gleefully argumentative, their disproportional confidence in such bantering and bickering is largely rooted in the personalities whom they acknowledge and revere to be significantly more intelligent, knowledgeable, charismatic, morally upright, or witty than themselves. They look to those who have done the "heavy lifting" on the complicated issues and have signed off on the "correct positions" to be held. And so, regardless of any one person's competency (or lack thereof) on a subject of controversy or essential piety, they sit comfortably knowing that they have guys who have worked things out. Yes, this is a faux magisterium. This works for them until it doesn't. The brittleness of this dynamic is made apparent whenever one of these "great men" are exposed in moral failure, embroiled in controversy, apostatize, convert to other traditions, or (in some cases) die. This is because a pillar upholding the collectivized ethos has eroded and destabilized the edifice. Depending upon the level of confidence and veneration someone invested in the personality—combined with other attributes such as personal neuroses and obsession with epistemic certainty—it can cause social friction, demoralization, angst/trauma, or even a full-blown faith crisis. Note that everything I've described can happen in any tradition. But the baptist/non-denom world is uniquely challenged and predisposed to these structures and stress cycles forming with essentially no mitigating factors in play. This is why Baptists can get so abrasive, acrid, and even outright hostile and condemnatory whenever one of their "great men" fails them—because they feel betrayed, wronged, traumatized, etc. It is akin to a rock knocking down a hornet's nest. Anyhow, pray for this brother because he apparently had a big hornet's nest hanging on him.
I am leaving Midwestern and the SBC. I am becoming Anglican. Here's why 🔽. Our family is so happy. matthewbarrett.substack.com/…
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Replying to @autocorrect2_0
I am not passing judgment on the servant. I am passing judgment on the master (in this case).
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Yes. That is why I said both. The problem people run into is that they equate Turks with being either analogous to Arabs (because of Islam) or with East Asians. Medieval Central Asian Steppe peoples were not phenotypically distant from Eastern Europeans.
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Replying to @ItsJuliansRum
"Protestants." Zwingli was the only 16th century Protestant who suggested anything close to mere symbolism—which wasn't by today's standards. Protestants didn't stop believing the Eucharist was the flesh and blood of Christ. We rejected transubstantiation and capernaitic eating.
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Replying to @kangminlee
I will say what strikes me as profoundly ironic is that China is actively colonizing Africa, but nobody seems to take note of that in these sorts of cultural polemics.
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Replying to @Templarpilled
Protestant. Washington National Cathedral, Protestant Episcopal Church.
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Women's ordination is still a thing largely because of female boomers. I think once their generation fades into obscurity the impetus behind it will die. We've already begun to see Protestant jurisdictions around the world begin to backpedal it.
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Wow. "Christian" X really is unhinged. I think too many evangelicals on here are smoking cannabis recreationally. Most of them come off as paranoid, incoherent, irrational, manic, and nasty.
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Anglicans who practice the communion of children lacking an expressed comprehension of the faith and the Lord's Supper act against our formularies. (See last lines).
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Baptists neither affirm Calvin's Institutes, nor the English Articles of Religion, nor the Heidelberg Catechism, nor Canons of Dordt. In what manner, then, can one say Baptists are in any manner "Reformed"? They are Puritan Non-Conforming Separatists. Eschew trans-traditionalism.
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The "Roman" Catholic Church was established with the Tridentine Schism.
The Council of Trent was not an ecumenical council and therefore is canonically speaking not a binding of nor a historical representation of the church catholic. It was a schismatic dividing of the western church in which unity was not sought but rather line-toeing enforced.
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Replying to @AdamPage85
Preface: I am not in favor of sexualizing swimwear. Answer: this is an issue of shame, not modesty. Modesty originates within and projects outward. Shame originates externally and applies pressure upon outward behavior, language, and manners. Shame is always culturally contextualized, because it is applied by others upon us and not we upon ourselves (modesty). The reason a woman feels okay wearing extremely revealing swimwear (in some cultures) is because her cultural peers predominantly accept it within the context of areas in which swimwear is worn—i.e., the majority do not shame her for it. Yet, there are cultures in which this is not the case, and women in those contexts do not wear such swimwear because it is viewed shamefully. Being caught in one's underwear outside one's domicile or a locker room is, by contrast, viewed as prevailingly shameful in our culture. Thus women (and many men may) feel shame being caught in their underwear by someone they didn't intend. Shame, not modesty. This is also critical to understand as it pertains to raising lads and ladies in the ways they ought to go: you cannot shame a person into modesty, only compliance with external pressures. The moment those pressures are gone the only thing that regulates our behavior and language is the modesty within, which must be cultivated as a matter of truth, goodness, and beauty under the guidance of God's grace. This is why children raised in authoritarian households typically go libertine the moment that authoritarian pressure is gone and...well, become unfortunate outcomes. The Law norms righteousness, but only the Grace of God the Father through the work of our Lord Jesus Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost conforms us to that righteousness. Modesty must come from within.
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I've noticed I've acquired a few transexual followers. I want to be unambiguously clear that I have conscientious biblical objections to transexuality—it is an outcome of sin. But I'm also regularly praying for Christ's grace, peace, healing, wholeness, and belonging for you. 🕊️
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ANGLICAN: *says anything critical about Baptists* BAPTIST: *clutches pearls* You are sowing division in the BODY OF CHRIST!!! WE BELIEVE THE SAME THINGS! 😭💔🥀 Later... BAPTIST α: I have decided to convert to Anglicanism. BAPTIST β: NOOOO! THEY'RE CRYPTO-PAPIST HERETICS! 🤬
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Replying to @latinizedlogos
One need not appeal to the light of supernatural revelation to elucidate that which is clearly manifest through the light of natural revelation.
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Replying to @AutismCapital
Classy guy. I'd take him out to coffee to discuss strategies.
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Replying to @DeaconBaptist
All the more reason not to be called a Protestant then, yeah?
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The real reason is simpler. Anglicans are open, Lutherans are insular. Anglicanism is significantly easier to access than Lutheranism for a garden variety revivalist.
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The United Episcopal Church of North America. "We're not your Grandma's Church. "We're your great, great, great, great, great Grandpa's Church." Continuing that Anglo-Classic Tradition.™️
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The promises of God are for us, fulfilled in Christ, and are as effective, tangible, and certain as the blood and water which flowed from His side. As a fellow Episcopalian priest, I concur with the man with whom you spoke. When you stumble in your race, remember that your task is not to place, but to finish. Christ already won the gold. Thus we stand back up and keep running—however bruised, bloody, limping, and dirty we may be.
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Pissed off? Looks more intrigued to me.
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You can be strongly opinionated and remain polite.
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Because it is almost universally paired with autism spectrum and hyper fixation and atomization are common symptoms there. But that also serves as evidence that transexualism is a downstream manifestation of autism mixed with social dynamics.
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Replying to @TheOtherPaul2
*Boomer Baptist Noises*
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Replying to @smashbaals
Yet he was too scared to go in, and when Peter caught up he went inside the tomb before John.
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Replying to @HeckathorneJay
Friend, their soteriology was close enough that I guarantee you they are both in the same place—wherever that may be.
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Did not expect this to explode at all. The consistent trend in the responses is that those from apostolic, liturgical traditions are affirming what I said while the American evangelicals are pushing back.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that "children's church" (in which the kids are separated from corporate worship) is one of those cancerous idols of the prior generations that needs to be put down for good.
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If a husband wishes to assess whether his wife is in spiritual submission to him, a very quick litmus test is to ask her to veil in Church. For him. Just because he is asking her to do so.
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The end of all theology is communion with God. If you pursue this enterprise for any other primary reason then you have departed the path of wisdom.
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I don't hate baptists/evangelicals—I just view them the same as they view the Roman Catholics.
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Replying to @HVACwarfare
I am willing to accommodate Methodists, but they are basically Anglicans who drank too much revivalism. Pentecostals are definitely Revivalists (19th century). Baptists began as English Nonconformists whose individualism played a major role in the development and spread of revivalism (and evolved themselves into Revivalists). Congregationalists are just subgenre of English Nonconformist "Reformed," as are the English Presbyterians. You can just sum it up as three: Lutheran, Anglican, and Reformed. Everything else is downstream.
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