Mises, Ron Paul, bitcoin...was happy half-Vulcan trying to live long and stack. Bcore threatened our savings. Now they must go. Simple logic.
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I’m tired of repeatedly describing this attack, so I’ll write it out once more and reference this post.
A CSAM Flood Attack is when a well-funded enemy (e.g. central banking cartel) “floods” the network with a brutal, relentless, never-ending stream of “spam” with the intent of rebranding bitcoin from money to CP db. This coincides with a ruthless PR campaign and political platform. Because Trump has politicized bitcoin, haters of all kinds will gladly hop onboard, making 2028 an attractive time to launch.
An attack using OP_RETURN (no discount) to embed one 100kb image per block at 10 sats/vb every 10 minutes for one year currently costs about $60 million, a pittance. In fact, the attacker will profit, using foreknowledge of the timing to speculate on derivatives.
We will find ourselves in the untenable position of defending a chain we inexplicably allowed to become saturated in child rape pics. Bitcoin will be tarnished, rightfully so at this point, and beyond redemption in the minds of many.
Goodbye normie savers, sound money lovers, ETF buyers and treasury bros. Goodbye price. Goodbye monetary revolution, freedom from fiat slavery.
All because we were too stubborn or too stupid to take simple actions to mitigate our greatest and most obvious threat.
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The reference client for a multi-trillion dollar asset rests in the hands of a woman who can’t tell the difference between money and cats and wizards and CSAM? 😬
This is the brilliant game theorist mastermind responsible for merging the uncap and deprecation of OP_RETURN datacarrier filter? @adam3us wtf??
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This is the brilliant game theorist mastermind responsible for merging the uncap and deprecation of OP_RETURN datacarrier filter? @adam3us wtf??
A key detail that got lost in this whole debate: Core devs don't believe JPEGs and shitcoins on Bitcoin to be spam.
Notice how individuals like @callebtc, @L0RINC and even @adam3us never give a straight answer about what spam even is, always hiding their answers in rhetoric and semantics.
The reason? They know it's impopular and would further taint the optics of what Core is trying to do with v30 and beyond.
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GLORIA IS 100% SHITCOINER.
Once you accept this fact, her actions make more sense.
I'd bet she agrees with Peter that “21m cap was a mistake,” in her case probably because sats should be distributed equally to all or some dumb shit.
I watched the context.
She thinks Bitcoiners are ick.
She implies her disgust is nothing more than the result of having adopted the general sentiment in SV.
A dev persuades her to ignore that and look at the code.
She realizes Bitcoin *itself* is not necessarily ick.
She is surprised that Bitcoin is software you can compile and run with a couple of commands in terminal - that checks out because when you come from DINO (decentralized-in-name-only) crypto into an ecosystem where people actually fight for sovereignty, stuff like that is intentionally made possible *on a practical level*.
No one is typically running nodes in other cryptos as no one has bothered to make it possible for "rednecks". It's just a dev circle jerk and a bunch of gamblers.
She then fails (and continues to fail) at drawing a link between the mentality of icky Bitcoiners and the fact that it isn't more dev-daycare + casino nonsense.
She was shielded from the culture she remains in contempt of it along with most Core devs who share her values but are smart enough not to reveal them on publicly.
Those values are completely incompatible with Bitcoin and result in telltale signs such as frustration with "lack of features" in Bitcoin along with unrealistic expectations of what users can/will tolerate, and a general failure to understand Bitcoin at a "constitutional" level.
(For what it's worth, I had those same values when I was in my early 20s. It's all just vanity, arrogance, and inexperience masquerading as concern for the disadvantaged and downtrodden whom you not-so-secretly despise anyway - hence the open disdain for "rednecks" and such who have chosen to use Bitcoin to escape fiat slavery rather than found it to be a "pretty neat toy if only people were more open minded".
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It never ends. The fact this person was elevated to reference client maintainer is a shared disgrace
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Bitcoin is problematic for libtards.
Understandable. Uncensorable, uninflatable money is antithetical to everything they hold dear.
They’re shitcoiners. They desperately desire a shitchain, but can’t stand the existence of bitcoin.
The solution? TRANSITION bitcoin.
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As a long-time fan but relatively new maxi I’m not always familiar with the OGs. Think I like this one.
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Defaults (especially on a reference client) are special choices made on behalf of others who want to defer to experts about what is best. In addition, they act as signals to outsiders: “What is the purpose of this protocol?” They’re very important and meaningful.
Changing default client settings≠changing consensus rules.
Also, i know. That’s why I’m predicting it will happen, and that it will be a knots supporter that does it.
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“If you don’t like cat photos or you don’t like wizards, or whatever, that’s like your choice, right? But I don’t think, umm, “this is not a legitimate transaction,” or, you know, “this is a waste of, you know, because of NFTs are bad or whatever,” I don’t think that language has a place..well, I don’t think that should be considered when you are talking about writing policy code.”
--Gloria Zhao, maintainer of multi-trillion dollar bitcoin's reference client.
A key detail that got lost in this whole debate: Core devs don't believe JPEGs and shitcoins on Bitcoin to be spam.
Notice how individuals like @callebtc, @L0RINC and even @adam3us never give a straight answer about what spam even is, always hiding their answers in rhetoric and semantics.
The reason? They know it's impopular and would further taint the optics of what Core is trying to do with v30 and beyond.
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V30 pimps calling us “pleb slop” is rich.
Have you heard Gloria speak? The alleged maintainer merging your beloved OPR datacarrier filter uncap is the dumbest, ditziest, SLOPPIEST idiot imaginable.
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The "low level detail" of blowing out OP_RETURN from 83 to 100,000 is, without a doubt, "pro-spam." There is no misinterpreting the intent of this code: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/c…
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I scrolled by @mononautical post about weird frog gif stored on chain and saw “less than a hundred bucks!”
Newbies to spam dynamics like myself may not understand this type of “transaction” burns all outputs, sending UTXOs to unspendable addresses.
In other words, it cost a whopping ~$840, once we include the 613,470 sats burned (1,859 outputs of 330 sats). What misleading garbage!
The UTXO set is harmed, creating 1,859 outputs that will never be spent.
But the spammers get wrecked, wasting big money on nothing.
HODLers are the big winners, reaping the benefit of 0.000000029% deflation. Doesn’t sound like much, but adds up as the weirdos keep at it.
It’s definitely annoying graffiti style vandalism, but very costly for the perpetrators, not at all comparable to OP_RETURN, which allowed the freaks storing a Mechanic pic yesterday to pay only $120 for a bigger image and not burn anything.
Am I getting this right?
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Did core maintainers, devs and supporters think they were immune from blowback?
If OP_RETURN uncap is adopted, children will NOT be the only victims with pictures posted permanently on chain. Of that you can be 100% ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CERTAIN.
Oopsie.
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Gloria is one of dumbest people I've ever heard speak, and you fellow shitcoining morons deserve bcore and CSAMChain and everything that comes with it.
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Hmm the tautological purpose of uncapping OP_RETURN is to encourage/permit arbitrary data. We can't possibly infer any other intent imo.
But obviously you're right it would have been smarter to increase slowly.
Unlike core, you at least know how to boil frogs.
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It’s pretty wild shitcoining v30 pimps look at this and say, meh, everything fine. Where is your self-reflection, your shame??
Bcore is not friend of bitcoin or bitcoiners.
Quite the opposite.
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If bcore slop was a miner, it would be MARA.
“An extra 1 million sats! Wow!”
No doubt that makes up for the $1.5 billion in lost value on your 50,000+ BTC treasury since v30 joined your embrace of arb data on chain. Way to go, geniuses!
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How did it come to this?
Extremely valuable education for newbies or non-technical folks on history of inscriptions/OP_RETURN, including a surprise cameo from everybody’s favorite maintainer.
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Many people misremember this line from Gandalf Satoshi.
“Keep them separate. Keep it safe.”
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Read this core slop they pretend Gloria wrote.
“One significant cost to Bitcoin is reputational [no fucking duh]. But this is far outweighed by other goals like compact block reconstruction and mempool utility.”
Oh, umm, like, awesome, so cool of you Gloria to, like, make that, uhh, really important, and like really impactful decision, like, on our behalf. Who better than you? Thanks, like umm, thanks so much.
github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/p…
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Adam, have you ever spent a night in jail?
Been in a fist fight??
Are you really that much of a tough guy outlaw you’ll risk getting shanked to death for hosting a chain saturated in child rape??
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For sensitive naive followers, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.
CSAM already exists on chain and has for many years.
Thankfully, it was etched using “hacks,” methods never “endorsed” by the reference client or vast majority of clients in general.
As such, we've been able to employ an excellent argument that it’s not “content” but “spam.”
It’s absolutely vital we maintain this premise.
It will be attacked regardless, and CSAM will be able to be stored in chain regardless if that's a vector the State wants to pursue.
Ultimately node runners will be executed if it comes to it. The State isn't just going to roll over and be defunded.
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As soon as I posted this suddenly found myself blocked.
I made it, mama! 🥳🎉
@lopp gang!
🖖Still alive. Feel ashamed somehow, but I don't really post at him. Tend to avoid dark wizard weirdos unless necessary🤷♂️
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This is the attitude and messaging that can win the war before it even begins.
Vast majority of bitcoiners (like vast majority of humans) want nothing to do with CPers (and their enablers) and, in fact, feel a primitive urge to stomp their faces into goo.
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Releasing an "0rc" branch the same day I posted this. What a fun coincidence!
I’m tired of repeatedly describing this attack, so I’ll write it out once more and reference this post.
A CSAM Flood Attack is when a well-funded enemy (e.g. central banking cartel) “floods” the network with a brutal, relentless, never-ending stream of “spam” with the intent of rebranding bitcoin from money to CP db. This coincides with a ruthless PR campaign and political platform. Because Trump has politicized bitcoin, haters of all kinds will gladly hop onboard, making 2028 an attractive time to launch.
An attack using OP_RETURN (no discount) to embed one 100kb image per block at 10 sats/vb every 10 minutes for one year currently costs about $60 million, a pittance. In fact, the attacker will profit, using foreknowledge of the timing to speculate on derivatives.
We will find ourselves in the untenable position of defending a chain we inexplicably allowed to become saturated in child rape pics. Bitcoin will be tarnished, rightfully so at this point, and beyond redemption in the minds of many.
Goodbye normie savers, sound money lovers, ETF buyers and treasury bros. Goodbye price. Goodbye monetary revolution, freedom from fiat slavery.
All because we were too stubborn or too stupid to take simple actions to mitigate our greatest and most obvious threat.
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“HODLing has NOTHING to do with running a node.”
LMAO and he says Mechanic sounds like a spook.
[I’d reply on thread, but I’m blocked (filtered) by this moron of course.]
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No recent followers would know this but my account handle was originally "AgainstCoercion" because I hated vaccine mandates. When we won that battle, I went full bitcoin maxi and rebranded satflation.
In the digital age, sometimes mass formation leads us to say and believe stupid things, like "You need to take this experimental warp speed gene therapy because muh safety" or "You need to tolerate child porn on bitcoin because muh censorship" and it's times like those you just need to sign in to twitter (or X) and tell those stupid weirdos to fuck off.
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Riddle me this Grand Wizard Back: What do inputs/outputs of sats have to do with wizards and cats?
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Oh Pete, is it really so "nuts" to try and counter "spam" (especially that particularly awful type)? Maybe you could write better code and be force for good? None of us want to censor financial txs of any kind, whatsoever. Not at all. We want to protect bitcoin from attack.
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Very shameful!
Stubborn, stupid and shameful.
I’m tired of repeatedly describing this attack, so I’ll write it out once more and reference this post.
A CSAM Flood Attack is when a well-funded enemy (e.g. central banking cartel) “floods” the network with a brutal, relentless, never-ending stream of “spam” with the intent of rebranding bitcoin from money to CP db. This coincides with a ruthless PR campaign and political platform. Because Trump has politicized bitcoin, haters of all kinds will gladly hop onboard, making 2028 an attractive time to launch.
An attack using OP_RETURN (no discount) to embed one 100kb image per block at 10 sats/vb every 10 minutes for one year currently costs about $60 million, a pittance. In fact, the attacker will profit, using foreknowledge of the timing to speculate on derivatives.
We will find ourselves in the untenable position of defending a chain we inexplicably allowed to become saturated in child rape pics. Bitcoin will be tarnished, rightfully so at this point, and beyond redemption in the minds of many.
Goodbye normie savers, sound money lovers, ETF buyers and treasury bros. Goodbye price. Goodbye monetary revolution, freedom from fiat slavery.
All because we were too stubborn or too stupid to take simple actions to mitigate our greatest and most obvious threat.
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Seems I'll be waiting indefinitely for a reply to the quoted post.
Adam finally blocked me. I think the pictured post might've done it.
This one actually hurts and makes me kind of sad.
But life goes on. @adam3us
Very fair!
CSAM Flood Attack concern has been weighing heavily on my mind, and you have a point I've been too aggressive at times.
Still, I want to understand people's thinking on the subject. What will be our response?
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Remember that time Adam said “bigger than 160b is a weak argument,” and then spent another month defending 100,000 and bcore shitcoiners?
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Thanks for spreading this post! I hope this never happens or we mitigate in advance. Regardless I feel relieved knowing good men, women, hobbits and even wizards (I regret not specifying dark wizards in my critique), are awake and ready to defend.
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“Blah blah CSAM is good for bitcoin because muh decentralization blah blah money ledger and CP go hand in hand blah blah.” Total absolute word vomit
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Yes, and ability to embed awful 100kb image in OP_RETURN (sole purpose arb data) in every block every 10 min for one year, all for low LOW cost of $60m or less (ridiculously low) is glaringly obvious security hole. I mean wide, deep, chasm-like hole, gift to potential attackers.
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Wait, I can get paid for asking people to please protect bitcoin from lunatics seeking to transform it into permanent file storage?
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lol doing “nothing” like uncapping longstanding OPR datacarrier filter from 83 to 100000 in one v?
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My exposure to bitcoin codebase has been minimal, but I may have made a key find.
The COIN and MAX_MONEY constants in src/consensus/amount.h seem to indicate bitcoin is intended to be a monetary unit.
Can someone with more technical experience please confirm?
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News for you: not caring about child rape pics is never the "chad" move. Actually quite the opposite
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Orwellian means presenting falsehoods as truth. It is objective reality that relaying and mining child rape pics may subject you to legal or moral consequences.
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Must’ve stashed his AR, rangefinder, ladder, drone, remote detonator somewhere nearby for safekeeping
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You would post a CSAM image?? Yes X would care and delete it and your account. It’s deleted from servers constantly, hosts shut down and imprisoned, often shanked to death. Permanent CP file storage is a very bad look, and we should mitigate to whatever extent possible.
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Unless 51%+ of world’s hash power agrees (which it doesn’t), uncapping would be them forcing themselves off the network, much like you weirdos did when you threw a temper tantrum about not be able to include penny candy transactions on chain.
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Fuck it folks! YOLO
V30 is in the wild, and I decided no point in waiting.
Domain in progress. Meanwhile visit beta version on my other site.
Generate images of favorite devs like @glozow and @peterktodd (and more!) to store on other people’s computers for all time.
Thank you!
satflation.com/gloria/
If v30 with 100kb OP_RETURN gains traction I WILL start opcorepornreturn . com and provide easy methods to generate and store hardcore AI frames of “Gloria and the Coretards”
Fucking test me.
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The issue is not that it’s already been possible.
The issue is it was never “endorsed” by the majority of nodes and miners running with datacarrier=83 or similar.
If the purpose of the network becomes permanent file storage, that’s going to be a problem.
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It's called steganography, and it's very different from dumping 100,000 bytes of child rape straight into OP_RETURN (the sole self-evident purpose of which is arbitrary data).
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Gloria thinks wizard cat pedo CSAM is required for bitcoin to function as a money ledger and is a true clown. Bitcoin functioned perfectly well without wizards and cats and CSAM for its first decade.
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Folks, the fact 100kb OP_RETURN was “technically” already consensus does not change the fact v30 is opening us up to NEW attack vectors.
Embedding an AWFUL image in OPR (sole purpose arb data) every block every 10 minutes for a year..has NEVER been possible before.
The vast majority of nodes refused to relay and miners refused to mine, partly because of cues from the reference client setting default at 83.
This afforded us the extremely effective defense against awful “content” on chain: it’s a fringe lunatic minority abusing the system.
That premise is what allowed us to overcome accusations our chain is intended to spread and store CSAM.
If v30 is widely adopted, we lose that premise, and in the words of Gloria, that, umm, like, would be, uhh, very, VERY, like, not good.
"v30 won't change much - miners already bypass policy with direct submission anyway."
I tracked 3months OP_RETURN data to test that:
- Before Oct 10: Minimal large OP_RETURNs
- Oct 10: v30 is released
- Same day: F2Pool mines a 97KB OP_RETURN.
- After Oct 10: Clear increase.
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Not only are not willing to die on hill..I'm not convinced most are even *aware* of file storage aspect.
Probability of normies (avg savers, wall streeters, Trumpers, religious folk, and, of course, CP haters [you know, almost everybody]) being against CSAMCoin is near 100%
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Delete this.
Legal mumbo jumbo is not a reason to actively enable storage and distribution of child rape pics.
No idea who you are, but it’s an embarrassing take. You should mitigate to greatest extent possible, if only for own self-interest (value of your sats).
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Shame you haven't helped talk core down to reasonable cap of 520b or below. Those morons have needlessly created all kinds of risk with their recklessly stupid uncap of a longstanding arb data filter from 83 to 100000 in one v. Your focus is obviously and tragically misplaced.
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“Listen there’s this chain with plenty of wizards and cats and CSAM and you should really start storing your life savings on it.”
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Be more like this guy.
“The fact that you can't stop a determined and skilled attacker… should not stop us from trying to stop most of the behavior that could harm node operators individually or the network collectively.” @NickSzabo4
As a long-time fan but relatively new maxi I’m not always familiar with the OGs. Think I like this one.
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Change name to Block and ticker to $XYZ..immediately drop p2p Bitcoin, stop adding to BTC treasury, never mention Bitcoin, focus on $100 loans to teens instead. Excellent strategy lol
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I asked Grok if my recent satirical critique of Gloria and crew crossed the line. It basically said “yes” but “not totally” but “it will definitely hurt your reach if not identified as satire.”
I tend to think satire, even when harsh or misleading (at first), is one of the most effective forms of communication, which is why I went so hard on my concept the past couple days.
Nevertheless, I want to make it crystal clear. I would NEVER store images OF ANY KIND on chain, let alone pornographic. I would NEVER enable another human being to do so.
Satoshi’s precious gift is FAR too valuable to ever risk with such stupidly selfish behavior.
I would never ever do it.
Hope that helps.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
@glozow @peterktodd
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We can argue over minutia, but almost everybody agrees on big picture.
All this nonsense could be over immediately if core was willing to compromise and admit a mistake.
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The "0rcs" are coming! The "0rcs" are coming!
Stay safe out there friends.
I’m tired of repeatedly describing this attack, so I’ll write it out once more and reference this post.
A CSAM Flood Attack is when a well-funded enemy (e.g. central banking cartel) “floods” the network with a brutal, relentless, never-ending stream of “spam” with the intent of rebranding bitcoin from money to CP db. This coincides with a ruthless PR campaign and political platform. Because Trump has politicized bitcoin, haters of all kinds will gladly hop onboard, making 2028 an attractive time to launch.
An attack using OP_RETURN (no discount) to embed one 100kb image per block at 10 sats/vb every 10 minutes for one year currently costs about $60 million, a pittance. In fact, the attacker will profit, using foreknowledge of the timing to speculate on derivatives.
We will find ourselves in the untenable position of defending a chain we inexplicably allowed to become saturated in child rape pics. Bitcoin will be tarnished, rightfully so at this point, and beyond redemption in the minds of many.
Goodbye normie savers, sound money lovers, ETF buyers and treasury bros. Goodbye price. Goodbye monetary revolution, freedom from fiat slavery.
All because we were too stubborn or too stupid to take simple actions to mitigate our greatest and most obvious threat.
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For posterity, since this genius deleted his comment. He can't handle an X post being permanent. How do we think people feel about CSAM?
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Fuck off shitcoining moron..“little economic incentive and makes bitcoin objectively worse for monetary users.”
No, idiot, uncapping longstanding OPR datacarrier filter and saturating the chain with shitgraffiti and child rape does that. Duh.
Y’all are dumbest MFers around.
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Wow and now the README has zero references to bitcoin being currency or money.
Learn something new every day.
Thank you for sharing! 🙏🖖
The groundwork actually started in 2022, a year before the first waves of spam.
The readme of the project was rewritten from "Bitcoin is an experimental digital currency that enables instant payments to anyone, anywhere in the world. [...]" to "Bitcoin Core is a full node implementation for the Bitcoin P2P network".
github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/p…
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Y’all jump through a lot of hoops and write a lot of words to justify relaying and mining child rape pics. Why? Perhaps they’re actually bad and our chain should avoid like the plague?
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Anyone familiar with Satoshi’s writings knows he would take modern Core™ devs to the fucking wood shed.
From “Bitcoin” to “electronic cash system” to “not intended for Lady Gaga videos” and “piling in every proof-of-work quorum doesn’t scale” and “the networks need separate fates” and more.
And you expect us to believe he would tolerate CPers? lol
Bitcoin. Its use case is in the name. Bit COIN
Its money. MONEY YOU DUMBFUCK.
Its not Bitstore or Bitrelay or Bitcloud or Bitinscript.
FFS we are debating intellectually malnourished morons
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Yeah you phrased it stupidly, I get it.
Also illustrated the point. CP on chain is bad. There's no delete. The victim is abused FOREVER knowing the content exists.
It’s awful, and we should avoid like the plague. Even if can't stop 100%, we should do everything in our power.
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The incorrect use of Bitcoin symbol is silly and half-baked like everything else this company does. But otherwise very cool
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Hate to break it to you, but bitcoin’s very existence is so disruptive it doesn’t need any additional incentives for attackers to exploit CSAM Flood Attack vulnerability.
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“Bullying young girls”
lololol Udi that is a grown fucking woman responsible for merging your beloved shitchanges into our $2 trillion asset’s reference client. jfc
that’s just mean. i’m sure he’ll be a great father (not sarcastic at all)
but i think bullying young girls on the internet as a fresh father of a baby girl is crazy cognitive dissonance
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Actually you’ve helped us realize they’re both equally awful and dumb and both need to go, along with wizard cat pedos. Money for us, CSAM for you!
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You’re fucking shitting my balls right now? Tell me you’re fucking shitting my balls right this fucking instant!
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You know, I thought that too at one point. But I've been wrong about plenty of things.
Also, it's definitely not "their" software.
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Is it me or is “blocked” the wrong term?
You didn’t block me, you silly snowflake.
You filtered me.
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Failing to foresee CSAM Flood Attack makes a person dumb not smart. Or are we just pretending not to see?
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Can someone please photoshop some dicks in @glozow hands and inscribe permanently on chain? I don’t think it’s illegal and she likes that kind of thing. Not to be a jerk.
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They endorsed a method with no benefit to anyone (other than spammers).
And they discouraged a method that made everyone (HODLers) richer via deflationary burning.
Meanwhile, the data, obviously, are still written on chain and stored forever.
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You’re sweet. The other side doesn’t afford you same consideration for clips about getting granny to download malware from the chain.
Gloria and crew no longer deserve benefit of doubt imo.
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Faced with well-funded attacker (central banking cartel) using “spam” to rebrand bitcoin from money to CP db (CSAM Flood Attack), Adam says “I don’t know what we’re going to do.” That’s what it comes down to with v30 promoters. Don’t make changes that introduce attack vectors you don’t understand or know how to mitigate. Duh
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I will be blocked (filtered) by EVERY SINGLE Core™ dev.
And every single one of you WILL have AI generated pics of yourselves added to the chain and spread via TxID.
Why tf are you contributing to something that’s gone so far off the rails?
Did core maintainers, devs and supporters think they were immune from blowback?
If OP_RETURN uncap is adopted, children will NOT be the only victims with pictures posted permanently on chain. Of that you can be 100% ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CERTAIN.
Oopsie.
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Gloria was clearly thankful the core developers who welcomed her with open arms were not “nutty bitcoin maximalists.”
It's like a sick joke at this point. The real, OBVIOUS attack on bitcoin has been Gloria and crew all along.
"These like nutty, carnivore, narrow minded, redneck #bitcoin maximalists"
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