Alright, you guys voted. Time to deliver. Here is every single plot hole/convenience that I noticed in Hazbin Hotel. A ๐งต
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Many indie creators like Gooseworx, Tracey Butler, Liam Vickers, and Toby Fox don't really get into many controversies because they're chill people. Vivziepop doesn't need a PR team. She just needs to be a better person or at the very least be more open-minded cause holy shit
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I'm not accusing Vivziepop of anything, but it is kinda crazy that she gave St. Peter a Jewish man blonde hair, blue eyes, and bleached tf outta him
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Helluva Boss fans when a neglected child calls out their neglectful parent
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Vivziepop makes a new show based on the Greek Pantheon called Nostos Resort, where Zeus is a twink with a top hat and Hera is just a bitch
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> "How to write a victim of abuse"
> Oc is dressed as that rapist from Hazbin Hotel
The jokes write themselves
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A 33 year old woman getting mad over a Boondocks quote. And that nigga is a rapist. He deserves that and more.
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So let's recap, Vivziepop blocked someone asking about the status of the playbills, and now the company behind them sends a roleplay email calling their consumers greedy while also shamelessly plugging their mediocre at best show
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In Episode 8, Alastor fights Adam without using any angelic weapons. Despite knowing that angelic weapons are the only things that can kill angels, No wonder he fucking lost. He's an idiot.
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What Vivziepop and some hazbin fans need to realize is that there is a difference between making merchandise of a character who's a villain and making merchandise sexualizing a villain who's just a rapist
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"Helluva Boss would've been boring if it stuck to its premise" is such a poor defense now that I think about it because Smiling Friends is in its second season and still has its original premise of Pim and Charlie helping people smile and it's still going strong
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Notice how Vivziepop gave her hitmen characters morals when a man with a family is targeted, but when a woman is targeted they don't gaf
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In episode 7, Vaggie was somehow unaware of the fact that angelic weapons can harm Exorcists. Despite the fact that she literally got her eye gouged out by an angelic weapon three years before the events of Hazbin Hotel.
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This is why I'm not a huge fan of giving demons the culture of humans or human-like cultures because of the implications it'll bring, intentional or not, and it's generally not creative. Demons should have their own culture separate from humans, Frieren does it best
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Starting off with the most egregious one. Exorcists leave their own weapons in Hell after every extermination. You know, the only weapons capable of actually killing them. It's like if General Zod took over Earth, but then left piles of kryptonite across Metropolis.
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The more time passes, the more I realize how bad Hazbin Hotel's writing is cause, why are Exorcists hyped as beings with one weakness only for Lute to get defeated by a ceiling
โi cannot wait for the day that hazbin hotel gets the same treatment as steven universe where people love the show years later and wonder why it had such a huge hate train so i can tell people i never hated it :3โ
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Literally, every song from Steven Universe is 10x better than Hazbin Hotel songs.
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Okay, so like we can wish death upon him, right? Since he's fictional and all that
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This is honestly one of the only things I liked about episode 4 cause you never see this much melanin in a Vivziepop creation in one scene
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This woman's entire motive was to fight back against the Angels, but when that battle actually ensues, she's just not in it. What was even the point of her?
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It's ironic that Hazbin fans will bash a redesign of a character despite said redesign incorporating elements that should've already been in the character's canon design. I remember when people said a Niffty redesign was racist, but then you look at the pilot design..
Itโs funny bc when ppl redesign him and give him yknow. Actual spider mandibles and an abdomen and other spider traits, the fans get mad and tell them theyโre making him too complicated as if heโs not constantly plastered in stripes and patterns
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Vivziepop takes sexual harassment seriously until it's targeted towards a character she doesn't like
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It makes sense why Vivziepop views Stolas as sympathetic because she relates to him more. They're both rich racist white people who have parental issues and underpaid but overworked employees. The only two difference is the fact that Viv didn't sexually coerce someone
Itโs not even the fact that Stolas is portrayed in a sympathetic light thatโs the issue. The main problem is that the show threw away all the racism/classism and emotional traumatic themes of how Blitz felt like he was being used/look down out the window so a ship could be canon.
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She has a rape fetishist in her team who storyboarded an SA scene where the victim was shown being SA'd
Helluva's writing quality has gone downhill
She blocks people who criticize her work
Underpays her employees
Has made transphobic comments to transmen
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In Episode 1, it's stated that the yearly exterminations happen because Heaven is afraid of Hell growing in power. But it ignores the fact that demons aren't able to kill angels. Only angelic weapons are able to kill angels.
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A lot of the character development in Hazbin Hotel is off-screen, and the writers expect the audience to be okay with it. I was genuinely confused why everyone was sad when Sir Pentious died, and Angel Dust called him his "buddy" when they're barely on screen together
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This explains why Vivziepop wrote the Vees as mouthpieces for her critics or fans who criticize the show
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A black coded character whose head is literally dice and is heavily based on an African American Jazz singer.
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As funny as this scene is, it shows why I can't take villains in Helluva Boss seriously because the writers themselves don't
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Hazbin changing the reason why the Exterminations exist. First it was to maintain the population of hell, then it became Heaven was scared of Hell's power, then it was because Adam and Lute like killing demons because they're one dimensional. The og reason was more interesting
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Vivziepop is afraid of asking the hard-hitting questions of who's worth redeeming and who isn't cause she wants us to believe that they're innocent souls when all they show is that they're sinful and violent, the attempts to show them being better is off-screen most of the time
y'all should lowkey watch this video he brought up this point that made me laugh a lot because he's so right
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There's a nearly hour long video on how Vivziepop accused the writer of the Hazbin Pilot, Kendraws of being an abuser, she traced their Cherri Bomb design and implemented it into her own, she didn't give them proper credit, and she plagiarized from them for the hazbin pilot
I just donโt understand why people hate viziepop so much? Like what has she actually done to deserve this?
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Chaggie is what happens when you get a fujoshi like Vivziepop to write a sapphic relationship, "sexy song" my ass just say it's a love song
Also yes imma nitpick bc like. It was a cute little song and all but this was really just a dance number.
We get like one or two shots of them implied to have had sex but thatโs kinda it outside of some risquรฉ dance moves. Idk why they hyped this up as Spicy itโs very tame
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It weirds me out the number of characters in Hazbin Hotel who act like children despite being grown adults. The worst example of this is Niffty because she's talked to and written like she is a child numerous times in the series, I wasn't surprised when people assumed she was one
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In Episode 8, Lucifer was somehow late to the main battle, but the writers forgot to show the audience what exactly caused him to be late. Guess he was stuck in a traffic jam.
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In the same episode, Adam is able to shoot beams of light from his hands that's able to disintegrate anything it touches and destroy large amounts of land. Why does he need an army? Better yet, why don't the other Exorcists have this ability?
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In Episode 6, it's revealed that nobody knows the requirements to get into Heaven. If nobody knows how to become an angel, then how does Charlie know how to redeem a sinner? Ik Sir Pent became an angel, but that still doesn't answer my question.
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The moment where Stellaโs character is ruined. She had the potential to be a complex antagonist trapped like Stolas and being powerless in the Goetia family. But none of that is explored. Now, she's just a one-dimensional villain used to prop up Stolas. What wasted potential
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Vivziepop must be allergic to giving her female characters depth, Octavia is right there, and Stella barely acknowledges her
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Hazbin Hotel is about everything else that isn't Hazbin Hotel at this point. I literally forget that the Hotel had new patrons cause they weren't focused on at all
You know the show is bad and lost the plot when sinners are staying at the hotel and actually speaking on their lives/reflecting and itโs not even the main focus or conflict.
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Thinking about it, what sense does it make for the Sin of Pride to follow rules Heaven forced on him? Even if there is some force preventing Lucifer from harming Sinners, how hard is it for Lucifer to have the Sins or the Goetia punish sinners in Lucifer's stead?
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Sexualizing a rapist for like the 5th time aside, isn't Valentino's coat supposed to be his wings or something? How the hell are they drooping down and detached from his back?
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For funsies, here's a Helluva Boss compilation of Stolas "thinking highly" of Blitzo
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And in the SAME episode, Razzle and Dazzle assist Charlie and Vaggie despite the hellborn demons having no angelic weapons, and Vaggie is literally able to fly.
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Despite the Exterminations happening for centuries, nobody except Carmilla Carmine was aware of the fact that they can kill angels. The exteminations have been happening for centuries, but only one Demon has figured out the weaknesses of the angels.
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It's actually hilarious how Vivziepop and the HB fanbase keep saying that Stolas and Blitzo were at fault and it's "complicated", yet Apology Tour paints Stolas as the victim and Blitzo as the aggressor or bad person in their fucked up relationship. Make up your minds
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Ragatha lashed out once and immediately apologized for it and gets called an "unintentional abuser," but Jax bullies everybody on an episode basis, and he barely gets called out for anything. Yeah, okay
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This is the season where Vivziepop realized she let Adam a stronger antagonist die way too early in the show so she's dumbing or nerfing everyone to make Vox a threat
im still wondering why they didn't bring pentious and say "hey here's actual evidence that redemption works." instead of leading with the apologies/stupid fucking gift baskets
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The first and only time we see Pentious and Cherri fighting is the Hazbin Pilot, and there's no sign they're arch-enemies. Hell, there isn't an implication that they know each other, it looks like a random battle
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Charlie wants to redeem demons, but there's never an explanation as to why she wants to. Initially, it was to prevent Exterminations, but it's been established that the Exorcists kill demons for fun and that Heaven is afraid of Hell. Charlie knows this.
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Looking at this design, it's crazy how the angels in Hazbin's heaven are described as "hot" yet similar to the Hell in that universe, there isn't a single angel with melanin or ethnic traits they had when they were alive. Genuinely, what did Vivziepop mean by this
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So, Sir Pentious, the Sinner who was a warlord for years, physically abused his minions, fought likely many demons, and made weapons of mass destruction went to Hell cause he didn't report Jack the Ripper in fear for his own life, what?
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Y'all remember when Vivziepop said Hazbin had a heavier emphasis on woman led stories? Yeah me too
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When will we get something from Blitzo's perspective? Because it's always been about Stolas's point of view when it comes to their relationship.
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When Lilith is revealed to be a neglectful mom without context everybody wants to call her evil and a bitch, but when Stolas is revealed to be a neglectful father context and all, everybody makes excuses for him
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Vivziepop needs a script supervisor because I'm not sure how this mistake was made
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I find it funny and a bit sad that Hazbin was hyping up Charlie's transformation only to get her ass beat minutes after she transformed
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Hazbin Hotel taking common critiques both critics and fans have and having the villains say it is giving Teen Titans Go and that's a damn kid's show
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The fact that people are excited to see rape scenes fully convinces me how bad Hazbin Hotel is at handling such a topic
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Some Hazbin Hotel fans don't care about abuse/SA victims and can't comprehend criticism of the show
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Not so hot take, but parts of fandoms are weird towards characters who are rapists and not in a good way. A lot of people in those parts ignore their actions because they find them attractive or because they view them as sympathetic for some reason
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Hazbin fans comparing it to the Boondocks is the funniest thing I've ever seen cause these shows are opposites. The Boondocks does research, doesn't take itself too seriously, and makes valid critiques with social commentary
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I always like it when people redesign Alastor as more clean and professional, making him more appealing, which makes sense cause he's a dealmaker. It boggles my mind that the series makes him look so chopped and raggedy
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Ever since I saw "Stayed Gone", I wanted to believe Alastor declining Vox's offer wasn't all that happened. Then we get hit with this Disney Channel ass conflict, Vox you're a grown ass man
I wonder if Hazbin fans ever feel disappointment cause imagine waiting 5+ years for a rivalry between two characters thatโs been hyped up since the pilot and the epic backstory is just โI thought me and radio man were friends but he said no and hurt my feewingsโ.
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Angel being a hypnotized spy all this time legitimately feels out of nowhere. No Easter eggs or clues hinting at this, they just made it up on the spot. Baxter being the spy would've made more sense
I might be alone on this one but tbh I kind of disliked the reveal of Vox hypnotizing Angel into being a spy??
Like okay cool but itโs not like Angel being a spy actually hurt the hotel more than Charlie being herself so it just kinda feels like a cheap twist..
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It's actually scary how much of a dumbass Vivziepop is, especially with how popular her shows are. How do you write a scene like this and believe it isn't rape? Does she even know the meaning of the word, cause it definitely seems like she doesn't which is ironic
I canโt do this no more what the fuck is wrong with this lady..
(For context this is about the joke where pentious nervously exclaims heโs gonna have sex w everyone in the club and then heโs dragged into a room by his ankles as he screams โno waitโ and tries to crawl away ๐)
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So this is how Vivziepop and her fanbase treat critics? Damn the bar just keeps getting lower and lower
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What kills me is that Vivziepop could've removed the voudou veves, replaced them with satanic runes and nothing about Alastor would've changed
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Isn't this illegal? If the customers who ordered them didn't get the playbills, Vivziepop is literally scamming them. She should at least give them a heads up as to why it's taking so damn long.
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There are so many things wrong with this frame but the Hazbin writers taking a closed religion that promotes peace and healing and associating it with demonic rituals to summon a white demon is the most baffling shit I've seen this week.
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I'm empathetic towards people with trauma, but this case is very different. Loona abused and insulted the man who essentially saved her life and showed her love. It's one thing to be a tsundere like she was in the past, but it's another to be full-blown abusive.
Iโm seeing so much Loona hate on here, really shows how little empathy people have for women with trauma who arenโt fully well adjusted. Loona isnโt abusive, people need to stop taking everything she does as serious but Moxxie getting hurt gags arenโt an issue
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Why the hell does a fanbase have to learn about a main character in a Q&A livestream? Vivziepop sucks at writing holy shit
#HazbinHotelAlastor
I feel so validated right now, you have no idea
ALASTOR HAS DEPTH TRUTHERS!!!ARISE!!!!
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The fact that there are four separate instances of incest jokes happening in Helluva is way too many for me to believe that this shit isn't a fetish to one of the writers. Which isn't even all that surprising considering they have a rape fetishist on the animation team
all Iโll say is that Iโm not Loving the recurring incest jokes in these shows!! In fact Iโm getting sick of it.. it is really bringing down the already rancid vibes..
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No, Stolas was being a selfish father for picking Blitzo over her and lying to her THREE TIMES, she's better off with different parents
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Originally, Heaven killed Sinners yearly because Hell was overpopulated, but now Heaven kills Sinners yearly because they're afraid of them?
Heaven and hell like youโve never seen them before. Here is the opening scene of #HazbinHotel, premiering Friday on Prime Video.
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The Hazbin fandom is willing to humanize a canonical rapist, but then will call a female character they hate a rapist simply because she was forced to have a kid with someone she doesn't like.
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It's really bullshit when you think about it like this. Assuming Heaven are the ones preventing Lucifer from killing Sinners, how come they never prevented Lilith from empowering them, god who wrote this shit
One more before I sleep I hate Luciferโs character so much bc in order to justify his inclusion in the plot they need to make excuses abt why the most powerful seraph/king of hell is actually super weak and canโt intervene against humans and heโs just a sad boi
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Adam and Lute being abusive towards the Exorcists feels like a retcon Vivziepop added to make them more evil cause it was never hinted at but we SEE them act like a team and Adam got mad when one of them died
Vaggie's storyline has the depth of a puddle.
It's clear that they wanted to add something outside to make the sky the "bad guy" and Vaggie appear as the "victim."
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I'm wondering why the rapists got merch, but Niffty didn't. Half of her characterization in hazbin was that she liked dudes
New Valentineโs Day items now Out (For Love) at our hotel gift shop!
HazbinHotel.com
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Two shitty bosses who fatshame, physically assault, and insult their workers. The difference being that one of them is a protagonist, but you already know who.
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That's the end of my ๐งต, thanks for reading and sharing answers. I'm gonna continue binging Teen Titans
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This is another ship in the Hellaverse I don't understand. I see the appeal cause yuri and there's barely any representation of it in both shows, but why would they be together? Mayberry tried to kill Martha and Martha portrayed her as a monster. Plus, Martha has a family
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Yeah, Vivziepop doesn't understand criticism at all. She says many channels "steal points," but is it really stealing a point if they all have the same problems with the shows that are being made? It's not stealing points, it's a sign that the show has those issues
It is absolutely hilarious how this woman still years later, with 2+ seasons approved, backing by Amazon, still gets butthurt over Criticism videos.
First dire gentleman's vid, and now what I can guess is @ArteiceTB video
#vivziepop
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The argument of "not all Sinners are bad" in Hazbin Hotel falls apart when all of the Sinners that are shown indulge in sinful activities and don't seem to even be bothered by the fact they're in Hell in the first place. They take advantage of that by doing whatever they want
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This version is SO much better, not only cause it isn't treated as a joke compared to the original, but Angel Dust helps Pentious out. It does a much better job showing that they're friends now and that Angel wouldn't want Pentious in the same predicament he is in
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Vassago is one of the most unnecessary characters in Helluva Boss and even makes me wonder why he wasn't Stolas's first friend, but Blitzo was
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It's crazy that Amazon has two franchises that handle SA and rape drastically differently. One treats it seriously as well as shows the psychological symptoms that result from it, and the other is Hazbin Hotel
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One of the many things the Hazbin Hotel pilot does better than the show is it shows you that Charlie has issues with Lucifer through her reactions to talking about or being around him. Meanwhile, the show outright tells the audience she has daddy issues with no subtlety
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this is basically what happened to Gummigoo
#TheAmazingDigitalCircus
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